tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6766906560812521746.post9026321947447603056..comments2024-02-10T02:58:07.102-05:00Comments on Celestial Reflections: Blaming ReligionLaVaughnhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09147322061125012346noreply@blogger.comBlogger16125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6766906560812521746.post-54248939467797089092015-01-14T07:57:49.530-05:002015-01-14T07:57:49.530-05:00See, I was going to bitch about the fact that our ...See, I was going to bitch about the fact that our phone and internet went down last night, just as I was posting about all the <a href="http://celestial-reflections.blogspot.com/2014/10/former-insider-teal-is-deluded-and.html" rel="nofollow">screenshots I've uploaded from the teal entities melee</a> on FB. Is that what you're referring to when you say "episodes" or is there more? Anyhoo, you've reminded me that there are worse things than losing comm for an evening. I know how it is, though. Our well went down last summer. That was a fun week. <br /><br />Thanks for the JLL video. I take it that's the RIR interview I've been putting off watching... heavy sigh... LaVaughnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09147322061125012346noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6766906560812521746.post-34709944827787038162015-01-14T00:59:38.847-05:002015-01-14T00:59:38.847-05:00I just checked in today after being off computer. ...I just checked in today after being off computer. In my own life, I am interacting with work (in a deli leading to having something to do with food I appreciate), in love (trying out being in a BF/GF interaction) and multiple systems that seem to be breaking like vehicles, water pipes.<br /><br />I have been appreciating water so much after indoor camping. I love water. I love clean and hot baths with sea salt. I am so happy I had one tonight.<br /><br />If I could just wish it true, I'd gather us freer thinkers without agenda and need to cord energetically (saw the Teal entity episodes and it is sickening). We'd weave together into an enlightened support system where we could be comfortable with stretching the limits of conforming without priest, guru, science expert or chief...just humans helping one another create an environment supportive to thriving.<br /><br />I can't help but expect this will happen despite the kookoo kings and queens who want us to remain enthralled by our power-less-ness. <br /><br />I love you LV and all...you are really true ones. <br /><br /><br />I know you have much more loving to self things to do than listen to JLL spew but here is a playlist. To tell the truth, I did not listen to all of it.<br /><br />http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLRRTHFFklAxlkBZD_Tuoi6LurFk8Okvu5Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6766906560812521746.post-59646583456587896572015-01-08T18:42:33.272-05:002015-01-08T18:42:33.272-05:00This was floating down my Facebook page.
Nonconfo...This was floating down my Facebook page.<br /><br /><a href="http://themindunleashed.org/2013/11/nonconformity-and-freethinking-now.html" rel="nofollow">Nonconformity and Freethinking Now Considered Mental Illnesses</a>LaVaughnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09147322061125012346noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6766906560812521746.post-83014369756105560902015-01-08T18:04:22.183-05:002015-01-08T18:04:22.183-05:00Maggie, do you have any links on JLL and the KWP? ...Maggie, do you have any links on JLL and the KWP? I've stumbled on a few things and they're very concerning. As we discussed a while back, he seems to have gone screaming of the rails and RIR is right there with him on the crazy train, it looks like. <br /><br />On the human nature question, I'm right there with you. These are questions I've wrestled with for a long time. I think there is strong evidence that some of this hardwired, the bigger question is why, because we don't really seem to make much sense as a species. And, yes, this tendency toward group-think and submissiveness is constantly exploited.<br /><br /><i>"Naturally, the common people don't want war; neither in Russia nor in England nor in America, nor for that matter in Germany. That is understood. But, after all, it is the leaders of the country who determine the policy and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy or a fascist dictatorship or a Parliament or a Communist dictatorship.... Oh, that is all well and good, but, voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same way in any country."</i> ~ Hermann GöringLaVaughnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09147322061125012346noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6766906560812521746.post-61019964446760538342015-01-08T11:02:30.059-05:002015-01-08T11:02:30.059-05:00LV, I really appreciate this statement:
"Thi...LV, I really appreciate this statement:<br /><br />"This tribal, group-think behavior can be seen in all walks of life, religious and secular. It can even be observed in web communities made up of people who've never met face to face -- people who have bonded over interests as divisive as politics and as uncontroversial as needlepoint. People form cliques and in-groups. It's what we do. The reason may be as simple and obvious as evolutionary biology -- follow a strong leader, stay with the group, and survive."<br />IMO what the group think does is keep artificial systems spinning. Example: I think about the victim, persecutor, savior protector triad is a pernicious man-u- fact-ure. <br /><br />It is a codified triangulation we keep playing various sides concerning. BUT is it really human nature? That is my question.<br /><br />The group think cannot deal with the complexities of human experience IMO. Human interaction is way more complex and nuanced and IMO, we focus on "rules" over learning the subtle interplay of feeling empathy. I think empathy is a learned behavior. <br />Who can teach my understanding of learned empathy (how to feel what others feel and understand it IS their feeling and understand how to respond and how to "engage" feeling in healthy ways) who has lack of empathy? Therefore the narcissistic society is continued.<br /><br />I depart strongly from some in this idea that empathy is learned (or perhaps a natural human trait is developed through learning). BUT, we do know that when children are kept in cribs for the baby years and not allowed to crawl and move and explore, they have poor motor skills life long as a result. The sad cases of studied orphans and institutional neglect (and abuse) in certain places are terrible studies of deprivation's warping of human beings.<br /><br />Personally I desire to experience the correction of social harm from ignorance and craven ugliness of with-holding love. Negation of "love" serves the system by pitting one against the other (persons and groups). <br /><br />IMO when others are targeted as the problem and a religion arises to control the "morality" of behavior, we are left less skillful. No feeling, no learning IMO. What if we knew life is about becoming the knowers of how our actions impact through feeling the consequences? The emphasis of "group" to "individual" IMO would shift. <br /><br />Society IMO is staying frozen in a pattern.. <br /><br />Sure we have "bad things happening" and certainly people are injured. However, it is the social realm of creating whole systems to serve the reaction people feel to the problem observed (and the meaning given to it) and the saviors and the solutions that IMO are serving no one but narcissist "religion of all kinds" (even athesim is IMO a religion) that is only about its own self survival. <br /><br />You referenced JLL lately. hhe has an idea to form a Kalika war party and he some very bizarre ideas IMO. If he were to join fores with another female leader of the newage, they might look like the Q&K of kookoo in conspiritual land. They each are FOR the victim, persecutor, savior triad as a necessary convention IMO. <br /><br />Alas these two spokes people probably may never marry their perspectives as they stand at different POV on the necessity and meaning of the triangle, so each "leader" will need a separate group. <br /><br />IMO, the bind in socially engineered group think is retarded. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6766906560812521746.post-37863722915396633422015-01-08T06:25:53.155-05:002015-01-08T06:25:53.155-05:00Spasibo!
Ps. I appreciated the Russian poster ab...Spasibo! <br /><br />Ps. I appreciated the Russian poster above :-) And thanks for the link with Ukrainian news which aren't negative for once. And we were raised with the belief that our ancestors had no real culture, were just savages living in dirt pits until foreigners helped us....Our official history in text books runs no further than 1000 years ago.Elenahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07333684106248882467noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6766906560812521746.post-61145772322607290972015-01-07T07:59:02.442-05:002015-01-07T07:59:02.442-05:00I haven't seen Noah, but I think I see where y...I haven't seen Noah, but I think I see where you're going with this. It's the story of a God sanctioned genocide. It's a horrifying story that we were taught, ironically, is all about God's benevolence. I wrote this up here:<br /><br /><a href="http://celestial-reflections.blogspot.com/2014/03/bill-maher-on-noah-and-his-genocidal-god.html" rel="nofollow">http://celestial-reflections.blogspot.com/2014/03/bill-maher-on-noah-and-his-genocidal-god.html</a><br /><br />The Old Testament God is not a nice guy and there are those who think Jehovah is actually Yaldabaoth. I wrote this up here, but I do feel the need to caveat that I can no longer endorse John Lamb Lash's work. He's an adequate resource where he's quite possibly stolen other people's work. It has been asserted that he is a plagiarist among other things. But worse than that he has now contorted his views regarding Jehovah into a ruthless anti-Semitic agenda. Sucks when you become what you oppose. Anyway: <br /><br /><a href="http://celestialhealing.blogspot.com/2008/08/is-god-enemy.html" rel="nofollow">http://celestialhealing.blogspot.com/2008/08/is-god-enemy.html</a>LaVaughnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09147322061125012346noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6766906560812521746.post-79307717074169687152015-01-06T11:39:46.827-05:002015-01-06T11:39:46.827-05:00More questions: How much of this so called human n...More questions: How much of this so called human nature is our true nature? Is it only human nature responsible for the religious institutions and the way they've turned out or is it archontic interference also? Probably both. Those forces taking advatage and feeding off of our current ignorant imprisoned(?) state, although it is shifting.<br />My dad is one hardcore atheist, religiously hating religions and he contradicts himself all the time, lol.Elenahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07333684106248882467noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6766906560812521746.post-58393702556471437982015-01-06T10:55:44.999-05:002015-01-06T10:55:44.999-05:00Lol, maybe I did hate it after all.Lol, maybe I did hate it after all.Elenahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07333684106248882467noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6766906560812521746.post-10193685634602537882015-01-06T10:50:35.807-05:002015-01-06T10:50:35.807-05:00Well, I can't say I "hated" it, but ...Well, I can't say I "hated" it, but I couldn't even finish watching it...it was painful for me, for many reasons. Short answer, just without any conscious thinking and reasoning while watching, everything in me was telling instinctively: "this is sooo not what we (humanity) need to be fed at this moment in history. Something is not right. What are the real intentions of making such a film?"<br />Obviously, people from different walks of life interpret works of art in numerous ways, depending on the knowledge and experiences of each viewer. This movie is no exception … there are numerousdifferent ways to interpret the plot and ideas of the movie. It is not dumb either, none of Aronofsky movies are, there are always powerful messages...But I think for the general public it can present some dangerous ideas (I'm pretty sure you'll see what I mean if you watch the movie, not that I recommend). It can be viewed as promoting a hatred for humanity...the Creator and Noah are full of it, it seems. It's also elitist...,violent...omg don't even get me started how many things I find wrong with this movie. But having familiarized myself with a bit of Gnostic teachings recently, there is another layer possibly to this movie, only it's so blurred it produces more confusion, imo. Elenahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07333684106248882467noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6766906560812521746.post-87086114139424618742015-01-06T09:37:22.729-05:002015-01-06T09:37:22.729-05:00Elena, it's a good question. I do think evolut...Elena, it's a good question. I do think evolutionary biology is a good explanation. The tribal cohesion that helped us reach this point has a downside and it becomes an even bigger problem in large, complex societies. I also think Demiurge is a good theory. Neither of those theories negate the other. And there could be a host of other factors. But it is what it is. I think it's pretty hard to argue at this point that human beings are dangerously submissive to authority and to the tyranny of the mob. We have a hard time thinking for ourselves. And we have to do both, cooperate with each other and individuate. Finding that balance is tough.<br /><br />On the Noah thing, I haven't seen it. It seems like people from all walks of life hated it and for conflicting reasons. Why did you hate it? LaVaughnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09147322061125012346noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6766906560812521746.post-72754715654533018272015-01-06T09:12:52.834-05:002015-01-06T09:12:52.834-05:00....and what created our human nature? I so need t.......and what created our human nature? I so need to find someone to blame lol. Demiurge? Elenahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07333684106248882467noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6766906560812521746.post-79684420316470127832015-01-06T08:57:18.740-05:002015-01-06T08:57:18.740-05:00Also, I've tried watching "Noah" the...Also, I've tried watching "Noah" the other day...again, wtf?? and not because it isn't biblically accurate. What a depressing load of some seriously twisted crap.Elenahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07333684106248882467noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6766906560812521746.post-29343544168476792472015-01-06T08:37:33.027-05:002015-01-06T08:37:33.027-05:00Nothing! Just so ridiculous, hope there is no vide...Nothing! Just so ridiculous, hope there is no video in the making.Elenahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07333684106248882467noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6766906560812521746.post-82431471305989947412015-01-06T08:26:09.008-05:002015-01-06T08:26:09.008-05:00LOL!! No, I generally avoid videos that have the w...LOL!! No, I generally avoid videos that have the words Illuminati or Madonna in them.<br /><br />So, Madonna is Illuminati because she she has an eye? What am I missing?LaVaughnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09147322061125012346noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6766906560812521746.post-10316718780112008292015-01-06T07:56:10.058-05:002015-01-06T07:56:10.058-05:00Off the topic...but have you seen/heard this? wtf
...Off the topic...but have you seen/heard this? wtf<br /><br />https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=78WwAgzVqcYElenahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07333684106248882467noreply@blogger.com